CAPTIONING
OCTOBER 8, 2009
BOCC PUBLIC HEARING
LAN DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS - ROUND 2 2009



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>>KEN HAGAN:  GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC 
HEARING FOR OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS, 
2009, ROUND 2.
THIS EVENING, BEFORE WE -- TO INTRODUCE THINGS, I'LL PASS 
THINGS OVER TO MS. HARVEY.
>>PAULA HARVEY:  THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBERS, AND GOOD 
EVENING.
AS YOU -- AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, THIS IS A PUBLIC 
HEARING ON THE SECOND ROUND OF AMENDMENTS FOR 2009.
WE'LL CULMINATE THIS PROCESS ON OCTOBER 22nd WITH A FINAL 
HEARING, AT WHICH TIME WE'LL CONSIDER ADOPTION FOR ALL OF 
THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
THE MEETING THIS EVENING IS ONLY TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT 
ON THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE LISTED, AND AT THIS TIME, I 
WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE JOE MOREDA, WHO WILL BRIEFLY 
DESCRIBE EACH OF THE AMENDMENTS AS NEEDED FOR YOUR REVIEW 
AND RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENT.
>>KEN HAGAN:  GOOD EVENING, JOE.
>>JOE MOREDA:  GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
JOE MOREDA WITH THE PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT 
DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECORD.
THE FIRST ITEM IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT TO 
PROVIDE INCENTIVES OR FURTHER INCENTIVIZE OUR CURRENT 
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IN THE LAND 
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
MR. MIKE BROOKS IS HERE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AS I 
UNDERSTAND IT.
>>KEN HAGAN:  GOOD EVENING, MR. BROOKS.
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M MICHAEL BROOKS, FOR THE RECORD, 500 EAST KENNEDY 
BOULEVARD, SUITE 200, 3362 -- 33602.
ETHEL HAMMER AND I HAVE FILED THIS PETITION, AND SHE'S NOT 
ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU 
AS PART OF THE BACKUP TWO STAFF REPORTS THAT ARE COMING 
CLOSER, AND IT'S THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT ON ALL SIDES, AND 
WE DO HAVE FURTHER MEETINGS BEFORE WE COME BACK BEFORE YOU, 
AND I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON 
AT THE SECOND HEARING IF THAT'S OKAY AND CONTINUE OUR 
PROGRESS, SO THANK YOU.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THANK YOU, SIR.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ANY QUESTIONS?
>>KEN HAGAN:  ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS?
[LAUGHTER]
>>JOE MOREDA:  FOLLOWING MY PRESENTATION --
>>JIM NORMAN:  [INAUDIBLE]
>>JOE MOREDA:  YOU DON'T LIKE THEM?
YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THEM.
SERIOUSLY.
JOE MADDON STYLE.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM "B."
THIS IS TO ADD LANGUAGE TO THE GENERAL ACCESS STANDARDS.
IT EFFECTIVELY ESTABLISHES THRESHOLDS FOR THE NUMBER OF 
DRIVEWAYS AND THE SPACING OF THE DRIVEWAYS THAT WILL SERVE 
A PROJECT.
IT ALSO ESTABLISHES STANDARDS FOR CONNECTIVITY AND ADDS 
CRITERIA FOR A STREET TO BE ADDED INTO THE COUNTY'S STREET 
SYSTEM.
MR. ALUOTTO IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS 
ITEM.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS?
THANK YOU, JOE.
>>JOE MOREDA:  NEXT ITEM IS ITEM "C."
THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO REPLACE THE PLATTED 
SUBDIVISION WITH NO IMPROVEMENT SECTION IN THE LAND 
DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH A NEW SECTION ENTITLED THE MINOR 
SUBDIVISIONS.
THIS WILL BE APPLICABLE TO SUBDIVISIONS WHICH ARE TEN LOTS 
OR LESS IN THE RURAL SERVICE AREA, AND IT WILL REQUIRE 
MINOR IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROPER CURRENT AND FUTURE ACCESS 
TO THE LOTS.
RIGHT NOW PRIMARILY THESE ARE DONE THROUGH EASEMENTS.
THIS WOULD ESTABLISH A STANDARD FOR A NEW WHAT IS CALLED A 
LOW-VOLUME PRIVATE ROAD.
MR. ALUOTTO IS ALSO HERE FOR THIS ITEM IF THERE ARE ANY 
QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR CITIZENS.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
GOOD EVENING, SIR.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS DEWAYNE HURLBURT.
I LIVE AT 109 -- 1009 NORTH FORBES ROAD, PLANT CITY, 
FLORIDA.
THE REASON I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THIS AND BRING IT TO IS WE -
- BACK IN '08 WHEN THIS WAS FIRST TAKEN DOWN -- AND WE'VE 
BEEN AT IT AND AT IT AND AT IT OVER MANY TIMES, MR. 
ALUOTTO, MR. CAMPBELL AND I AND OTHERS.
BASICALLY AT THIS POINT I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH WHERE 
WE'RE AT WITH THIS THING EXCEPT IN THE TEXT -- IN THEIR 
10.01.05(B)(3)(J).
ONE OF THE CRITERIAS THAT THIS CALLS FOR -- AND YOU GOTTA 
REMEMBER THAT WE'RE OUT IN THE RURAL AREA PRIMARILY FOR 
THESE STRUCTURES -- IS THAT THIS IS A HARDSHIP WHEN THE 
DEVELOPER HAS TO BUILD -- AND I'LL READ IT AS IT IS UNDER 
3-J.
BUILDING PERMITS SHALL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL AFTER PLATTING 
RECORDATION AND THE LOW-VOLUME ROAD HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED 
AND APPROVED.
NOW, AT THIS POINT THAT MEANS THAT ALL DOLLARS HAVE GOT TO 
BE UP FRONT BEFORE WE EVEN GET ANYWHERE OUT IN THE RURAL 
AREA, AND MANY, MANY TIMES OUT THERE THE ISSUE IS NOT 
NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO RIGHT AWAY.
WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY DEVELOPING AND PLANNING TO DEVELOP IT 
TODAY, BUT MOST OF IT IS OUT FOR THE INHERITANCE OF THE 
FAMILY, AND ONCE YOU'RE PLATTING IT -- AND YOU HAVE TO PLAT 
IT BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER RULES IT MIGHT BE -- EVEN AN 
EASEMENT HAS TO BE PLATTED TODAY -- THAT THIS CAUSES A 
HARDSHIP, I FEEL, ON THE RURAL AREA.
I HAVE SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT HELP IN HERE, BUT 
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE WE COULD BOND IT, MAYBE WE 
COULD DO THIS, MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND 
FROM THE LEGAL SIDE THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE AT 
THIS POINT.
SO I'M KIND OF ASKING THAT WE MAYBE GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION 
FOR THIS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED AT THE TIME THAT THE BUILDING 
PERMIT IS ISSUED CONCURRENTLY THE ROAD HAS TO BE BUILT BUT 
NOT NECESSARILY THE WHOLE ROAD.
IF YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BUILD FOR ONE FAMILY ONE LOT AT 
THIS POINT, THAT OPENS UP THE ISSUES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION 
INDUSTRY, AND WE CAN GET ON WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CASH FLOW 
FOR EVERYBODY ALONG THE WAY BUT DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE BIG 
BUCKS ALL UP FRONT BEFORE YOU'VE EVEN GONE ANYWHERE.
AND AGAIN, LOW-DENSITY OUT THERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE 
TO THE ACRE, ONE TO 2.5, OR ONE PER FIVE, AND IF THIS IS 
THE CASE WHERE WE'VE GOT TO BUILD THIS ROAD -- AND THE 
STANDARDS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF 
STANDARDS, IT IS A QUESTION OF FINANCES HAVING TO BE DONE 
ALL UP FRONT BEFORE WE CAN GET A BUILDING PERMIT, AND I'M 
HOPING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME LANGUAGE THAT MAY BE 
ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER HIGGINBOTHAM.
>>AL HIGGINBOTHAM:  MR. HURLBURT, YOU SAID YOU HAD BEEN 
MEETING WITH MR. ALUOTTO AND OTHERS AND WORKING THROUGH 
THIS AT THIS POINT?
>> YES.
>>AL HIGGINBOTHAM:  OKAY.
OKAY, GOOD.
I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THOSE AS WELL, SO THANK YOU, SIR.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT ITEM.
>> GOOD EVENING.
JUDY JAMES, 325 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
ON THE PLATTED SUBDIVISION WITH NO IMPROVEMENTS, I JUST HAD 
ONE CLARIFICATION THAT STAFF HAS WORKED WITH ME ON, THAT 
YOU CANNOT USE AN EASEMENT ACCESS IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA 
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH THREE OR MORE LOTS.
YOU COULD STILL USE AN EASEMENT ACCESS IN THE URBAN SERVICE 
AREA IF IT'S AN EXISTING PROJECT OR A LOT THAT YOU'RE GOING 
TO FORM IN THE FUTURE, YOU JUST CAN'T USE MORE THAN THREE 
ON THAT LOT, AND THAT'S A CLARIFICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE 
MADE TO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEFORE YOU.
THANK YOU.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THANK YOU, MA'AM.
>> AND AS TO THE ITEM THAT I JUST MISSED ON THE ACCESS, 
STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US DILIGENTLY TO GO THROUGH 
SOME OF OUR CONCERNS, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE LANGUAGE TO 
BRING BACK TO YOU NEXT WEEK OR NEXT HEARING.
THANK YOU.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THANK YOU.
>>JOE MOREDA:  NEXT ITEM?
>>KEN HAGAN:  YEP.
>>JOE MOREDA:  THE PURPOSE OF THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS 09-
796, ITEM "D," IS TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CLEAN FILL TO 
INCLUDE MULCH.
THE EFFECT OF THIS WILL BE TO REGULATE STOCKPILING OF MULCH 
AND TO CREATE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR AGRICULTURAL 
APPLICATIONS.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
OKAY.
PLEASE CONTINUE.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "E," THE PURPOSE OF THIS WILL BE TO 
REDUCE THE NEED FOR ZONING INTERPRETATION IN THE AREA OF 
THE RECREATIONAL REGULATIONS.
THERE ARE SOME SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT WE MADE ALSO AS 
WELL AS FORMATTING.
WE REVISED THE DEFINITION OF REC USES TO ADDRESS SOME 
INCONSISTENCIES WITHIN THE DEFINITION AND VARIOUS 
DEFINITIONS.
WE ALSO ADDRESSED THE PERMISSIBILITY OF LAND-INTENSIVE 
RECREATIONAL USES IN THE LARGER [INCOMPREHENSIBLE] 
DISTRICTS, AND WE ALSO ARE AMENDING THE CODE TO ALLOW A 
VARIETY OF PRIVATE REC USES IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IF 
THEY'RE OWNED AND OPERATED BY A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION OR 
SIMILAR ENTITY.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
ANY QUESTIONS BY BOARD MEMBERS?
NEXT ITEM.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "F" WAS PROPOSED BY THE FIRE 
DEPARTMENT.
WE WORKED WITH THEM TO EDIT THE CODE TO PROVIDE FOR A 
SEPARATION FROM PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES AND ALSO A DEFINITION 
FOR THE CONSTRUCTION -- WELL, REGULATION AND DEFINITION OF 
CHICKEE HUTS.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A CHICKEE HUT IS, THERE'S A PICTURE 
OF WHAT'S NOT A CHICKEE HUT BUT WHAT'S ALLEGED TO BE A 
CHICKEE HUT, AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF THING THE FIRE 
DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO PREVENT.
THE REGULATIONS THEMSELVES WOULD ALLOW FOR THE 
ESTABLISHMENT OF A TRUE CHICKEE HUT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW THE WAY THESE CHICKEE HUTS ARE BEING USED, 
THEY WORK AROUND THE PERMITTING PROCESS AS A CHICKEE HUT, 
AND THEN THEY BACKLOAD THEM WITH IMPROVEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, 
LIKE HEATERS AND OTHER WIRING AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE 
FIRE HAZARDS, SO THE DEFINITION NOW WOULD PREVENT THAT.
IT ALSO WOULD PROVIDE SOME SEPARATION FROM THE PRIMARY 
STRUCTURE AND PROVIDE SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO PROVIDE FOR 
PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
THANKS, JOE.
>>JOE MOREDA:  NEXT ITEM IS THE CODIFICATION OF 
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES 14.4 AND 14.5 TO REQUIRE 25% OF 
THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA IN SUBDIVISIONS OF TEN LOTS OR 
MORE TO PROVIDE FOR COMMUNITY OPEN SPACE REC AREAS.
IN SUBDIVISIONS OF 50 UNITS OR MORE, 5% OF THAT 25%, A 
MINIMUM OF THAT MUST BE USED FOR CIVIC OR PUBLIC USE WHICH 
IS EFFECTIVELY A MORE DEVELOPED AREA WITHIN THAT OPEN 
SPACE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BIKE TRAILS, CIVIC BUILDINGS, 
AND THINGS OF THAT LIKE.
AS I SAID, IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO SUBDIVISIONS OF TEN LOTS 
OR LESS.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
NEXT ITEM.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "H" IS ALSO A CODIFICATION OF A 
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY.
IT ESTABLISHES A CRITERIA TO DETERMINE A METHOD TO PROVIDE 
SEWER AND WASTEWATER FOR PARCELS THAT ARE SPLIT BY THE 
URBAN SERVICE AREA AND RURAL SERVICE AREA.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
THANKS, JOE.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "I" IS THE CODIFICATION OF COMP PLAN 
POLICY 20-5.5, TO PREVENT PORCHES TO EXTEND 10 FEET OR 50%, 
WHICHEVER IS LESS, IN THE REQUIRED FRONT SETBACK.
IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
IT ALSO PERMITS THE FRONT FACADE OF A HOME TO EXTEND INTO 
THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IF THE GARAGE IS RECESSED.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
NEXT.
>>JOE MOREDA:  NEXT ITEM, ITEM "J," CREATES STANDARDS FOR 
REAPPLICATION OF DENIAL BY A LAND USE HEARING OFFICER.
IT MIMICS A PROCESS THAT'S USED BY A BOARD AND ADDRESSES 
CASES WHERE APPLICANTS APPLY AFTER BEING DENIED WITHIN A 
YEAR.
IT REQUIRES A YEAR FOR REAPPLICATION.
IT ALSO ESTABLISHES A PROCESS WHERE THEY COULD REDUCE THE 
INTENSITY OF THE APPLICATION FOR POTENTIAL REAPPLICATION 
WITHIN A YEAR, AND IT ALSO ESTABLISHES A PROCESS FOR 
AMENDING EXISTING IMPROVED SPECIAL USES.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
NEXT.
>>JOE MOREDA:  NEXT ITEM IS ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 
POLICY IMPLEMENTATION ITEM.
IT ALLOWS WAIVERS FOR ON-SITE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR IT 
ALLOWS A MORE EXTENSIVE CONSIDERATION OF OFF-SITE 
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WHEN RP-2 DISTRICTS ARE -- EXCUSE 
ME -- WHEN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS WITHIN THE RP-2 
PLAN CATEGORY ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
IT ALLOWS A HIGHER DENSITY IN THE RP-2 IF THERE'S CERTAIN 
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AN AREA OF 1.5 MILES.
THIS CHANGES THE STANDARD TO FIVE MILES.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
NEXT.
>>JOE MOREDA:  NEXT ITEM IS A CLARIFICATION IN THE TABLE OF 
ALLOWABLE USES DEALING WITH CAR WASHES.
IT CODIFIES AN OPERATIONAL INTERPRETATION AND JUST MAKES IT 
EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO SEE WHERE THEY -- WHERE WE ALLOW CAR 
WASHES BY DISTRICT AND WHAT TYPES OF CAR WASHES AND WHAT 
TYPES OF STANDARDS.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE EMBEDDED IN DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND VERY 
DIFFICULT TO -- TO -- TO FIND IF YOU'RE NOT --
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
OKAY.
NEXT.
>>JOE MOREDA:  NEXT ITEM IS ALSO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 
POLICY IMPLEMENTATION ITEM, AND EFFECTIVELY WE'RE CHANGING 
DENSITY OVER TO FLOOR AREA RATIO AND PROVIDING SOME 
INCENTIVES HOPEFULLY TO GET PEOPLE TO USE THE COMMERCIAL 
APARTMENT REGS MORE OFTEN TO USE AS AN INFILL TOOL.
WE'VE ALSO MADE SOME CHANGES TO PROHIBIT CERTAIN TYPES OF 
USES IN THE "M" ZONING DISTRICT WHICH ARE INCOMPATIBLE 
BETWEEN MIXTURE OF USES WITH HOUSING AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
THANKS, JOE.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "N" IS A CHANGE TO PREVENT MAJOR MOTOR 
REPAIR IN THE CG ZONING DISTRICT.
IT REFLECTS THE PAST SCOPE OF USES THAT WERE ALLOWED FOR 
MOTOR REPAIR IN PREVIOUS CODES, AND IT WILL TAKE CARE OF 
SOME PRACTICAL ENFORCEMENT AND NONCONFORMITY ISSUES THAT 
WE'D HAD TO DEAL WITH AND ALSO PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE HAD TO 
DEAL WITH.
>>KEN HAGAN:  THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
NEXT.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "O" ALLOWS LOTS THAT WERE LEGALLY 
ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE MINIMUM LOT 
SIZE BY UTILITIES, WHICH IS A HALF ACRE, TO BE CONSIDERED 
LEGAL FOR ZONING AND PERMITTING PURPOSES.
IT WOULD KEEP PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT CATEGORY FROM HAVING 
TO SEEK A NONCONFORMITY CERTIFICATION PRIOR TO GETTING A 
SIMPLE BUILDING PERMIT.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
NEXT.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "P" IS A CLARIFICATION IN THE CODE OF 
HOW THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS ARE APPLIED IN THE CRIME 
PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN REGS THAT WERE 
RECENTLY APPROVED.
>>KEN HAGAN:  WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU, JOE.
>>JOE MOREDA:  ITEM "Q" IS A REVIEW OF -- ACTUALLY, THEY'RE 
SCRIVENER'S ERRORS.
THEY'RE NONSUBSTANTIVE.
THEY'RE JUST NUMBERING CHANGES.
AND THAT TAKES CARE OF THE ENTIRE AGENDA.
>>KEN HAGAN:  OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS?
OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS 6:00 P.M., OCTOBER 22nd.
>>JOE MOREDA:  THAT'S CORRECT.
>>KEN HAGAN:  ANYTHING TO ADD, MS. HARVEY?
>>PAULA HARVEY:  NO.
>>KEN HAGAN:  GREAT JOB, JOE.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
>>JOE MOREDA:  THANK YOU.
 



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